Comments on: Basque, 'the oldest language' http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/basque-the-oldest-language/ Proto-Indo-European Language, Indo-European Languages & European Union Language Policy Thu, 10 May 2012 07:05:22 +0000 hourly 1 By: Priscilla Alfisi http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/basque-the-oldest-language/comment-page-1/#comment-18704 Priscilla Alfisi Mon, 09 Apr 2012 08:26:22 +0000 http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/05/basque-the-oldest-language/#comment-18704 It is the best time to make some plans for the future and it is time to be happy. I’ve learn this post and if I could I wish to suggest you few interesting things or suggestions. Maybe you could write next articles referring to this article. I desire to read more issues approximately it! It is the best time to make some plans for the future and it is time to be happy. I’ve learn this post and if I could I wish to suggest you few interesting things or suggestions. Maybe you could write next articles referring to this article. I desire to read more issues approximately it!

]]> By: England http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/basque-the-oldest-language/comment-page-1/#comment-10129 England Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:49:31 +0000 http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/05/basque-the-oldest-language/#comment-10129 tribe of dan=basque people(the sea peoples) thats why they say the tribe of dan settled the british isles and ireland and now we learned the 1st people to settle the bitish isles and ireland are the basque people thats why they are blood brothers of the irish,welsh scots n to a lesser extent the english tribe of dan=basque people(the sea peoples) thats why they say the tribe of dan settled the british isles and ireland and now we learned the 1st people to settle the bitish isles and ireland are the basque people thats why they are blood brothers of the irish,welsh scots n to a lesser extent the english

]]> By: England http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/basque-the-oldest-language/comment-page-1/#comment-10128 England Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:47:08 +0000 http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/05/basque-the-oldest-language/#comment-10128 Crete was settled by atlanteans n many say the basques are the atlanteans so basque would be the oldest language and the language spoken in the garden of eden. Crete was settled by atlanteans n many say the basques are the atlanteans so basque would be the oldest language and the language spoken in the garden of eden.

]]> By: mallorca http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/basque-the-oldest-language/comment-page-1/#comment-9600 mallorca Sun, 26 Jun 2011 02:37:34 +0000 http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/05/basque-the-oldest-language/#comment-9600 Basque people are direct descendents of the cromagnon man ffs lol they are the original europeans btw Basque people are direct descendents of the cromagnon man ffs lol they are the original europeans btw

]]> By: ! http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/basque-the-oldest-language/comment-page-1/#comment-5780 ! Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:20:46 +0000 http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/05/basque-the-oldest-language/#comment-5780 Dear John Bengtson, ...Lithuanian has mostly lost this form of ablaut. ??? Have a look: gerti-girtas,gilus-gelme,rijo-rajus,kesti-kancia,ugis-augti.Would You like to get some more examples?Anytime,anytime just ask. Dear John Bengtson,
…Lithuanian has mostly lost this form of ablaut. ???
Have a look: gerti-girtas,gilus-gelme,rijo-rajus,kesti-kancia,ugis-augti.Would You like to get some more examples?Anytime,anytime just ask.

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]]> By: paul metcalfe http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/basque-the-oldest-language/comment-page-1/#comment-4002 paul metcalfe Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:18:05 +0000 http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/05/basque-the-oldest-language/#comment-4002 Basque is the oldest spoken language in Europe. One theory is that when the last glacial period started, most nomads living in northern Europe were driven south & east hence Indo-European. They were a small number of nomads who migrated to the Iberian plains. When the Ice Age ended the Basques ( modern name ) were driven to the Atlantic shelter on what is now the Spanish French border. Hence their language has absolutely no connection with Indo-European. It is also theorised that these same nomads migrated to Britain & Ireland & settled there long before the Celts arrived, between 14,000 - 7,000 BC. Oppenheimer's dna theory suggests that the British & Irish have more Basque dna than Celt or Germanic. Maybe our ancestors spoke a similar language once ! Basque is the oldest spoken language in Europe. One theory is that when the last glacial period started, most nomads living in northern Europe were driven south & east hence Indo-European. They were a small number of nomads who migrated to the Iberian plains. When the Ice Age ended the Basques ( modern name ) were driven to the Atlantic shelter on what is now the Spanish French border. Hence their language has absolutely no connection with Indo-European.

It is also theorised that these same nomads migrated to Britain & Ireland & settled there long before the Celts arrived, between 14,000 – 7,000 BC. Oppenheimer’s dna theory suggests that the British & Irish have more Basque dna than Celt or Germanic. Maybe our ancestors spoke a similar language once !

]]> By: John Bengtson http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/basque-the-oldest-language/comment-page-1/#comment-3597 John Bengtson Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:55:08 +0000 http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/05/basque-the-oldest-language/#comment-3597 In general, any dispute about which is the "oldest" language is futile: we must assume that ALL known languages (except consciously created ones like Esperanto) are more or less EQUALLY OLD. Languages that are cited as especially "old" - such as Lithuanian - are actually only archaic in certain respects. While Lithuanian is markedly archaic in phonology (preservation of phonetic forms) and in vocabulary, English and other Germanic languages are more archaic in preserving Indo-European verbal ablaut (such as the vowel alternations in "sing, sang, sung, song") than Lithuanian, which has mostly lost this form of ablaut. RE #1: Proto-Indo-European is not an attested language but a RECONSTRUCTED language. Archaeological sites, unless they include identifiable inscriptions, cannot be indisputably linked to specific languages. Thus the identification of Indo-European with Kurgan is disputed. RE #8: " ... one could be tempted to promote it saying that Basque is not related to any other language. This is obviously untrue." With reservations, I agree (see below): Since the 1980s I have been scientifically studying the question of the origin of the Basque language. Since I have no Basque ancestry or personal attachments to Basques, I had no preconceptions about the end result, and it made no difference to me personally what the results would be. From a scientific standpoint, if Basque does have identifiable relatives, they could be found by concentrating on the most basic realms of its vocabulary, and its oldest grammatical features. I found that some old suspicions about relations with Caucasian languages were the most likely, specifically with North Caucasian (Northwest and Northeast Caucasian), for example Abkhaz, Avar, and Chechen, rather than with "South Caucasian," now usually known as Kartvelian (Georgian, Laz, Svan, etc.). The specific words common to Basque and North Caucasian (cognates) have also been found to be relatable phonologically, i.e. with recurrent sound correspondences. The evidence for these findings is detailed in several published articles and in my book _Linguistic Fossils_. Some of the articles are accessible on my homepage: http://jdbengt.net/ So far it is true that my findings are not generally accepted by linguists, if only because most of these scholars are unaware of the findings and/or are unable to discuss them objectively. In general, any dispute about which is the “oldest” language is futile: we must assume that ALL known languages (except consciously created ones like Esperanto) are more or less EQUALLY OLD. Languages that are cited as especially “old” – such as Lithuanian – are actually only archaic in certain respects. While Lithuanian is markedly archaic in phonology (preservation of phonetic forms) and in vocabulary, English and other Germanic languages are more archaic in preserving Indo-European verbal ablaut (such as the vowel alternations in “sing, sang, sung, song”) than Lithuanian, which has mostly lost this form of ablaut.

RE #1: Proto-Indo-European is not an attested language but a RECONSTRUCTED language. Archaeological sites, unless they include identifiable inscriptions, cannot be indisputably linked to specific languages. Thus the identification of Indo-European with Kurgan is disputed.

RE #8: ” … one could be tempted to promote it saying that Basque is not related to any other language. This is obviously untrue.” With reservations, I agree (see below):

Since the 1980s I have been scientifically studying the question of the origin of the Basque language. Since I have no Basque ancestry or personal attachments to Basques, I had no preconceptions about the end result, and it made no difference to me personally what the results would be.

From a scientific standpoint, if Basque does have identifiable relatives, they could be found by concentrating on the most basic realms of its vocabulary, and its oldest grammatical features. I found that some old suspicions about relations with Caucasian languages were the most likely, specifically with North Caucasian (Northwest and Northeast Caucasian), for example Abkhaz, Avar, and Chechen, rather than with “South Caucasian,” now usually known as Kartvelian (Georgian, Laz, Svan, etc.). The specific words common to Basque and North Caucasian (cognates) have also been found to be relatable phonologically, i.e. with recurrent sound correspondences.

The evidence for these findings is detailed in several published articles and in my book _Linguistic Fossils_. Some of the articles are accessible on my homepage: http://jdbengt.net/

So far it is true that my findings are not generally accepted by linguists, if only because most of these scholars are unaware of the findings and/or are unable to discuss them objectively.

]]> By: Paul http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/basque-the-oldest-language/comment-page-1/#comment-3295 Paul Sat, 19 Jun 2010 02:58:13 +0000 http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/05/basque-the-oldest-language/#comment-3295 Lithuanian language is oldest living and still usable language in the world 100% Lithuanian language is oldest living and still usable language in the world 100%

]]> By: lkokik http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/basque-the-oldest-language/comment-page-1/#comment-3157 lkokik Sun, 11 Apr 2010 05:47:05 +0000 http://carlosquiles.com/indo-european-language-blog/2007/01/05/basque-the-oldest-language/#comment-3157 #many Basques actually want Basque to be the oldest# We don´t care about actually... #many Basques actually want Basque to be the oldest#

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