By: Indo-European

Indo-European — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:40:43 +0000

@libertas:
1) “European democracy is not to ask people”. I didn’t say that. I said that all democratically elected Governments of the EU member states and the Europarliament have participated in the elaboration and approval of the European Constitution, and that to date 19 member states have ratified it, with other countries (like Spain) ready to continue ratifying it even without Irish support. Ireland makes up 1% of the EU population, and less than half of its voters have voted on this referendum, and – under the pressure of fierce campaigns of radical leftists and ultraconservative/christian/eurosceptic lobbies – less than 0.2% of Europeans – in this case unhappy Irish voters – are likely to decide (again) the future of the European Union, for other 3-5 years maybe, making us all spend millions in a new Constitutional project. European democracy means today unfortunately that everyone must agree on every step – what makes pro-Europeanism almost impossible, and euroscepticism too easy. The current European ‘democracy’ makes too easy for you eurosceptics to hinder any advance, and a regime where minorities rule cannot be called democracy.
2) “pro-European neoliberal colonialism”. I’m just wondering…You are from the UK (at least your IP), and obviously eurosceptic; and from your comment, “anti-neoliberal” too? Wow, you must be double-eurosceptic then… or maybe you are just a conservative guy trying to disguise your euroscepticism under the ideas of others? You don’t want to fit into the typical conservative-anti-European-pro-American suite? You could have chosen “Sinn Féin” as your nickname, but that was possibly too much for your non-nationalist disguise…?
I might be wrong, but the “neoliberal colonialism” the Lisbon treaty and the European Constitution brings is probably in any case less “neoliberal” and less “colonialist” than what the most leftist anti-European British politician in the UK Parliament asks for today…

By: libertas

libertas — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:20:10 +0000

If the NO wins in a democratic referendum, there’s no democracy in the EU; European democracy is then not to ask people. Overwhelming logic of pro-European neoliberal colonialism…

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